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       You would think that if the city is going to hold you within seconds of the proper time, that they would at least make sure their clocks are right.  The so called "accurate" ticket scanners are only as accurate as the people who program them or use them.
      The scanners allow ticket writers to scan bar codes off your registration in the windshield. If it can read the barcode (and there are many problems with that) the accurate information about your car will be entered on the ticket.  However the violation you committed is entered by the ticket writer, the time is based on the scanners clock which can be screwed up.
     When my Dad used to go get his car fixed the mechanic would always say "I think the problem is "the nut behind the wheel".  The same applies to ticket scanners.
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jmax123 read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2008 | 10:49 PM

Thank you for that one John!

Tickets used to be to keep people from breaking laws, but now it seems to be a profitable business or game......like the "Supermarket Sweep" or "Beat the Clock!" "How many tickets can you write before they get to their cars?"

It looks like they are competing with each other for some type of bonus or recognition.
I remember reading in our local paper that our town cops were ranked by how many tickets they wrote for the year......so it really is a business if you think about it. It's not much different than sales rankings in business used to keep employees on top of their game.

Jane

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 10:58 PM

Jane,

I believe the clock on the game show "Beat The Clock" was accurate.


John

Sanctus read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:00 PM

John, thanks for staying on this story. Many of us have noticed this before, but we have no way of proving it. I don't believe for one minute that it's a mistake. It can't be a coincidence that so many agents have their time set two minutes ahead. They would have to notice the time difference between the ticketing devices and other time keeping devices. Alternate street parking is a huge cash cow for the city. I'm originally from Iowa and I know a thing or two about cows. When you have one, you always milk it. Please stay on these people. Once the heat is off, they'll go right back to cheating the public. Thanks again! Have a good night.

Daniel

Chana
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:04 PM

Hi, I really appreciated your story on the news this evening!! its such a nerve and it's nice to have someone speaking out publicly about the injustices that these cops are getting away with!! Last week I got a ticket (issued at 2:30am, whats up with a cop, looking to write false tickets in middle of the night!!) for missing/improperly displayed plates, which is completley without merit!! Basically, if you live in NY and own a car you are automatically a criminal!! its so frustrating and making it increasing unpleasant to live here (the area of Brooklyn where i live is pretty bad with the ticket blitzing!!!) Thanks for exposing them!!

harlen read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:08 PM

It does not surprise me one bit about early clocks used in scanners, do the math how much money has additonally been ripped out of the peoples wallets due to a what im sure was a calculated effort on the part of the city,its a simple equation, early clocks = more tikets , and how exactly do you fight that ticket its your word aginst the citys good luck! People who read meters and give out tickets are souless vultures, they contribute to the ultimate degradition of societys morals people blindly following orders "just doin my job" real hard........ bein' an ass laws are supposed to protect people not fleece people get your heads straight people cuz KARMAS a real biotch, think anyone's child hood dream is to be a meter maid do you really feel satisfaction in you work knowing that 99% of the tickets givin' out enforce no rightous laws but in fact contribute to the bad rep nyc has for sucking every red cent you have got ...and more. I only wish the those fools who take these jobs would have to face their own penaltys when they issued a false tickets like if i caught one giving me a ticket and i could prove beyond a resonable doubt i was in the right, BANG they own me $45 (plus the $45 surcharge) that would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:10 PM

Sanctus,

Good point. Most traffic agents have cell phones and somebody should speak up if they think the time on the scanners is off.
These guys however take their orders from other people who pressure them to write.

Chana,
I believe that if you deserve a ticket you should pay it and shut up but there are so many bad tickets that half of the tickets fought are dismissed. It's a shame that no that crime is down some legit people live in fear of the city.

john

harlen read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:11 PM

oh yeah, they really suck.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:13 PM

harlen,

I have no proff that it's intentional but you would think somebody would have picked up on this problem before us.

John

harlen read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:15 PM

that's exactly my point john, but a problem is also in the eye of the beholder, and trust me more money for nyc is never a problem!

Sanctus read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:26 PM

Yes, I understand that they are under pressure to write tickets. This is actually indicative of the underlying problem with parking enforcement. When you have a system that concentrates on applying penalties instead of protecting citizens and promoting a safe, clean environment, you have a system that is fundamentally flawed. Until our Mayor and other city leaders make a concerted effort to change the law, we will have a fertile breeding ground for corruption as your story clearly illustrates. The change needs to come from the top because crap rolls downhill.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:37 PM

Sanctus,
We've done dozens of stories like this showing the struggle innocent people go through with the ticket system yet nothing at all has been done to fix it. On the contrary, internally they portray me as the bad guy who seems to be obsessed with the problem.
But all you have to do is check the calls to 311 or the complaints we get to see how unhappy people are with the way the ticket system works. Their attitude of indeference and desire to place the blame on a reporter who reports it is frightening.
It's also symptomatic of people who've spent their entire lives sucking off the public's hard earned money. They develop an arrogance, get themselves bodyguards and a team of spokespeople.
There are very few true public servants left.

Sanctus read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2008 | 11:57 PM

I know that you guys have done just that and most New Yorkers appreciate it! I'm not sure just yet how we can all help to change the system, but it must change. It's incredible to hear our local leaders talk about justice year after year, yet they turn a blind eye to the exact type of crime they claim to stand against! At this stage of my life, I should be used to such hypocrisy, but the gall of some folks still amazes me. You are definitely not the bad guy in this.

Daniel

gertrude1945 read my blog view my photos
Feb 13, 2008 | 9:49 AM

John, I too enjoyed your report last night. I was slightly taken aback by the first traffic cop you confronted. Was he screaming as he scurried into the back seat of his car? Or were those violent sneezes? Either way, I thought it very odd and unprofessional. I also think there are a lot of scandals to be uncovered in the USPS.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 13, 2008 | 10:19 AM

Gertrude,

Thanks..Yeh the guy was being a wise guy and started fake sneezing!

John

jmax123 read my blog view my photos
Feb 13, 2008 | 10:22 AM

John,

It would be impossible to prove that it is intentional, but let the numbers speak for themselves. In your venture; did any of the ticket-givers not have their watches set a few minutes ahead?
I think we should find out what type of bonus the bureau is offering them. I don't believe they are just being paid salary if they are being this agressive in their jobs. Why would anyone cheat the system unless something was in it for them?

Jane

Calmax read my blog
Feb 13, 2008 | 11:55 AM

John:
Thank you for your report on this problem. I'm a former Sanitation Enforcement Agent. Despite what they say that there is no quota, I want you to know that there is a quota. Every Sanitation Enforcement Agent is required to write 16 tickets every day. Every Traffic Enforcement Agent is required to write 30 tickets every day. If you don't write at least 16 or 30 tickets a day, you are reprimanded by a Supervisor. On one occasion, I found only 10 violations. This was on Saturday. When I went back to my command, my Supervisors were very upset with me because I only wrote 10 violations instead of the required 16 violations. Well, on Monday I was sent out on patrol with a Supervisor and he made me write 32 Sanitation tickets to make up the difference. On average, there are about 20 Sanitation Agents in a command on a daily basis. 16 tickets per day x 5 days = 80 tickets per week. Multiply that by 20 agents per command and it's a lot of money. There is a lot of corruption in this unit and they try to keep it hid from the public. Sanitation and Traffic Agents should not be in danger of being fired, just because they didn't write 16 or 30 tickets per day.

Calmax

jmax123 read my blog view my photos
Feb 13, 2008 | 12:09 PM

Calmax...

Wow....that is so sad! If a class-action attorney knew, he/she would round up all of the agents that were fired for low ticket revenue. That would be the smartest way to get justice *and* correct the ongoing situation.

Jane

JASharf
Feb 13, 2008 | 1:23 PM

John,

I saw your report last night on the traffic tickets and wrong time on their scanners. I happen to receive many tickets all the time and I have a 80-85% dismissal rate. As far as street cleaning defenses goes, this is something you may want to mention on air as a follow up (this is a defense I used MANY times and got my tickets dismissed): "According to the DOT's Division of Enforcement Order #93/05, all vehicles are given a five (5) minute grace period before summonses are issued; at the beginning and end of the times posted on the signs concerning Alternate and N/P and N/S." Thus, if alternate side street cleaning is from 9:30 - 11:00, any ticket issued between 9:30 and 9:35 and 10:55 and 11:00, will automatically be dismissed if you use this defense. If you have any questions about this or any other ticket defenses, feel free to contact me.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 13, 2008 | 2:31 PM

JAsharf,

Do you have the law or order in writing or a place I can find that? I am not aware of such an order. You can copy/paste it here.


Calmax,

Several years ago we had many traffic agents come in with their idendities hidden...they provided documentation that proved they had a quota it think it was 37 on foot and 56 in a car or something like that.

Jane,

Their scanners were set ahead of the real time of day. Most agents carry cellphones like we do and could quickly varify that the city scanner didn't match the real time of day.

John

JASharf
Feb 13, 2008 | 2:41 PM

John,

I have it printed out. If you want, I can fax it to you. How would you like to proceed?

~Jason

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John_Deutzman

John Deutzman, a New York native, has been working as a reporter at Fox 5 News since September of 2001. John has won 12 career Emmys and has received 28 Emmy nominations. He's known for his aggressive and at times humorous style when catching bad guys and exposing scams for the Fox 5 Investigative Unit. John's stories have resulted in arrests, businesses being shut down and dozens victims getting their money back from scam artists. Before moving back to New York, John spent 11 years in Miami, first as a sports reporter but when hurricane Andrew struck, John was thrown into news reporting and evenutally made the full time switch to news. John also had stints in Binghamton,New York and Springfield,Massachusetts
. A native of Smithtown,Long Island, John is an 11th-generation Long Islander. He describes himself as a 50/50 mix of his two grandfathers. One grandfather was a journalist who owned the town paper, the "Smithtown Messenger" and the other was one of the first cops in town who had a reputation for being tough and crazy but fair.

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