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      Ticket scalpers oh excuse me...ticket "brokers" now apparently control almost all tickets to major events.  So here's the question:  Is ticket scalping just the "American way" with tickets for hot events selling for what the market allows or is the public being unfairly screwed?  I'd love your opinion.
 
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jmax123 read my blog view my photos
Feb 26, 2008 | 3:54 PM

I think the reason ticket brokers are intentionally not stopped by the event because when word gets around that the event is sold out----it makes a bold statement for the venue; many people don't realize it's sold out to resellers not fans. What could be better for marketing? It shows they are in demand!
Almost like back in the Elvis & Tom Jones days when they paid women to scream and faint in the audience-----it's all part of creating an image.

Jane

ArunKristian read my blog view my photos
Feb 26, 2008 | 10:20 PM

This is really a messed up situation. Especially since New York State made it legal to sell tickets for whatever the "market" will bear. I don't know -- on one hand, it's capitalism to resell tickets. On the other hand, it's ridiculous if brokers buy up ALL the tickets using slimy technology to beat the ticket-limit system.

Funny thing -- last year I bought tickets from Ticketmaster to see The Police; I ended up having extras and I had an almost IMPOSSIBLE time reselling them -- AT FACE VALUE!

--Arun/MyFoxNY.com

Buzwaa92
Feb 26, 2008 | 11:04 PM

Just last week I tried to buy tickets for my sons birthday for a baseball game the day the tickets went on sale. I had a similar experience as the mother in the story. How sad that although I was told all tickets in any location were sold out and hours later they were all over websites selling them for way above face value. Your report came at a great time. Shame on anyone who monopolizes this, and anyone without some kind of connection to obtain tickets are left out in the cold. Shame on them!

Britdebs
Feb 26, 2008 | 11:15 PM

We are most definitely being screwed.
I recently spent several hours at my computer trying to get 4 tickets for a Jonas Brothers concert in Bridgeport, CT as a birthday surprise for my daughter and her friend (the other 2 were for her Mom and myself!) I settled down in my chair 10 minutes before the tickets went on sale and with a couple of minutes to go started to refresh the "find tickets" page. When I finally did get through they were all gone....every last one. This was at 12.03pm. Now I realise that this was going to be a difficult task but I was furious to discover that a huge amount of tickets were to be found on sites like Cheaptickets and Stubhub for sale up to $1000 each!!! I had to explain to my daughter that her "surprise" was not to be as I refuse to be ripped off in this way. Having revisited these sites in the hope of getting some good news I discover that there are single tickets left for not much more than face price, not that I or any parent in their right mind would purchase seats in different areas of the stadium for their 11 year old and themselves. I hope that these agencies are left with hundreds of unsellable single tickets and that it hurts them badly. This is a disgrace that needs to be stopped right now.

This doesn't happen all the time....I saw the Spice Girls and Carrie Underwood this weekend by purchasing tickets from Ticketmaster at face price...no problems on the website with either of these purchases.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 26, 2008 | 11:34 PM

hi guys,
thanks for the comments. the sad part to me is the parents who have to break their promises to their kids. The only way around it would be to actually wait until the last minute before an event starts and try to grab tickets from a desperate broker who bought too many hot tickets and needs to unload them.

redhead-ny
Feb 26, 2008 | 11:45 PM

Recently, for a Las Vegas show, I paid $190.00 ticket, $28.00 handling, and $15.00 shipping adding up to $233.00 for one ticket, through a ticket broker, that when I received it was actually $92.00! Unbelievable!! "Highway Robbery"

Sanctus read my blog view my photos
Feb 26, 2008 | 11:54 PM

The solution is to never buy tickets from a "broker." I only buy tickets from the organizer of whatever event I want to attend. There is nothing that I need to see or hear that badly that would compel me to enrich these "brokers." As long as people buy tickets from them, they will be around.

Daniel

ArunKristian read my blog view my photos
Feb 27, 2008 | 12:02 AM

It's also interesting to note that Ticketmaster has its own "resale" Website (TicketExchange), where ticketholders can sell extra tickets...

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 1:10 AM

guys,

wouldn't you think, of the hundreds of thousands of people whio saw this story,,,that one,,just one ticket broker might have a couple tickets to spare to help out the kids.

john

Auntthatcares4 read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 9:18 AM

I was one of the ladies that was on this story last night, and the reason I was part of this story is because I don't want other children like my niece to have to go thru being up set because they can't see their favorite group. I wish I could afford the price that they are asking for now but I can't because my income is limited and my check that I get for the month is not enough to pay for those tickets, because I am about 45 percent without vision. Plus I wanted the governor and the senators of New Jersey too see this story because they don't enforce their own law. I even wrote to them, and not one off their offices has wrote me back. Hey my niece deserves concert tickets, because she is a child who gets stage awarded honors in school, plus she is a safety patrol monitor, a student council member, she is in the band, plus she does activities outside of school, and her grades never go below 88.

grouchysmurf
Feb 27, 2008 | 9:56 AM

Shame on you, John, for not really investigating at all and for reporting only the part of the story you want people to hear!

First, you make it sound like "brokers" are getting ALL the tickets to these events. It's not hard to see by visiting ticket reselling websites that the amount of inventory out there on the open market is rarely more than 10% of the total seating capacity of the venue, and normally is much less. That means if a concert venue holds 15,000 people, at least 13,500 of them bought their tickets direct from the source and only 1,500 tickets are being resold.

It's easy to say that brokers buy them all, but are we forgetting about consumer demand? Is it possible that if Hannah Montana is scheduled to perform somewhere that holds 10,000 people that there might actually be more than 10,000 who want to go? And if you put those extra 1,000 tickets that the brokers bought back up for sale, would they not be gone in an instant leaving demand still unfulfilled? Unfortunately, if a ball park holds 40,000 on a given night and 80,000 want to be there, not everyone is going to get in. It's a shame, but it's not the fault of ticket brokers.

Finally, why is there nothing in your report about shows that aren't hot? Yes, it's hard to get tickets to see Hannah Montana or Billy Joel, but what about the events in which available tickets are greater than demand? Have you ever been to a half-empty ball park or a less-than-sold-out show? I have. And I got my tickets from a broker, many times for less than the venue would sell them to me for. Why base your sto

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:02 AM

Grouchy,

Your screen name says it all. How do you explain the fact that all tickets are gone immediately? How do explain the testimony of both Ticketmaster and the ticket broker that claim there is a system out there designed to scarf up all the tickets.
Whatever is going on screws over the hard working people who make up the fan base for these groups and teams.
Of course as long as all of the politcians get their seats with a few phone calls (if they can fit in them) there won't be any outcry.

john

BKEDITGUY
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:32 AM

As long as the government is getting a piece of the action I don't think you will see any resolution to this problem. I still liked the old fashion way of first come first serve. I know it's a pain to wait on line for hours,but at least it is fair.
BKEDITGUY

grouchysmurf
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:39 AM

"How do you explain the fact that all tickets are gone immediately?"

40,000 people want to go and there are only 10,000 seats! I'm sure the 2 people in your report weren't the only people on their computer or on the phone trying to buy tickets; far from it in fact. Ticketmasters technology can process orders in a very timely manner, (within seconds). If you announced that you'd be outside your office giving away 100 checks for $1,000 each, do you think more than 100 people would show up to get one? And based on that number of people interested, how long do you think it will take you to hand out the 100 checks you have? Not very long.

In terms of your second question, I never said there wasn't software that gives the users an advantage in buying tickets -- I'm sure there is. But if it bought ALL the tickets, they'd all be up for sale and NO hard working people would get to go. That is not the case. Plenty of hard working people do get their tickets direct from Ticketmaster and it's easy to look at the resale market and see how much is there. It's not ALL the tickets, it's not 50% of the tickets and not even 20% of the tickets. It's a small percentage for any given show. So, a few hard working people can't get tickets. Just like a few hard working people can't afford health care, a new Cadillac or filet mignon every night.

How can you say hard working people are getting screwed? There simply weren't enough tickets to go around, just like you didn't have enough $1000 checks to go around. In our free society, not everyone gets everything -- it's not sprea

grouchysmurf
Feb 27, 2008 | 11:42 AM

The rest:

In our free society, not everyone gets everything -- it's not spread around evenly. Unfortunate, but true.

One other thing about tickets and their cost. Try checking out how much tickets cost directly from the Knicks, then go to Stubhub and see what they're selling for there. There are $50 face-value tickets available for $10! That should spawn a feel-good report about brokers who are putting hard working people in Knicks seats, or Nets seats, or Mets seats for less than the face value!

It is not unfair that not everyone can go to see their favorite concert or game. It may be unfortunate, but not unfair.

puravida read my blog view my photos
Feb 27, 2008 | 12:50 PM

Hey Johnny Boy:
Why in "the wide world of sports"are you wasting your preciuos time addressing a "practice" that is "as old as prostitution?"
Remember...how does it go..."ROYAL SCREWING"?
JC

John_Deutzman read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 1:03 PM

Puravida,

I guess you are right. I can remember in the old days the scalpers would pay homeless people to stand on line to buy tickets so they can scarf them all up.
I think what is new is the astonishing speed the hi tech scalpers are working at. Ticketmaster is claiming as fast as four hits a second per person with the technology.
I would bet however that most policticians who have kids have seats waiting for them for any event as they do at Yankee and Shea Stadium just in case they feel like showing their mug at a game.

John

grouchysmurf
Feb 27, 2008 | 1:30 PM

This story is a dead end, John. Like any industry, you're going to have your bad apples that use questionable methods to achieve their goal -- that's understood and it's as wrong in the ticket industry as it is in oil, the stock market or any other business. But you make it sound like everyone reselling tickets is crooked and screwing the general public, (and always have been), and that's just wrong.

Saying that scalpers "scarf" all the tickets up is simply not true. If they did, you'd be able to go to Stubhub or any other ticket reselling site and see 40,000+ tickets available for a Mets / Phillies game. The problem is, you have no evidence to substantiate your claims; in fact, the evidence that everyone with a computer has access to disproves major aspects of your report.

grouchysmurf
Feb 27, 2008 | 1:32 PM

In terms of political perks, I'm sure there are some. Just like there are some for Hollywood stars, sports figures, wealthy businessmen and local celebrities. If those of us in the middle class don't like the fact that we aren't offered these perks, we have the opportunity to aspire to become an elected official, movie star or something else.

Auntthatcares4 read my blog
Feb 27, 2008 | 1:44 PM

Hey all negative people? I did do research on this matter, and I still have the print outs to prove it. Theere is 10 or more pages with ticket broker or scalping websites that sell tickets are a crazy price. I am also sadden that ticketmaster has ticketexchange, and that the meadowlands and prudential center in Newark also has sites where you can buy tickets at a higher price, but just think if people didn't buy these tickets from these sites, the brokers and scalpers would o out of business, and it wouldn't mater to the performers because they would have made there money already.

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John Deutzman, a New York native, has been working as a reporter at Fox 5 News since September of 2001. John has won 12 career Emmys and has received 28 Emmy nominations. He's known for his aggressive and at times humorous style when catching bad guys and exposing scams for the Fox 5 Investigative Unit. John's stories have resulted in arrests, businesses being shut down and dozens victims getting their money back from scam artists. Before moving back to New York, John spent 11 years in Miami, first as a sports reporter but when hurricane Andrew struck, John was thrown into news reporting and evenutally made the full time switch to news. John also had stints in Binghamton,New York and Springfield,Massachusetts
. A native of Smithtown,Long Island, John is an 11th-generation Long Islander. He describes himself as a 50/50 mix of his two grandfathers. One grandfather was a journalist who owned the town paper, the "Smithtown Messenger" and the other was one of the first cops in town who had a reputation for being tough and crazy but fair.

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