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           Now that I've done two back to back ticket dumping stories and have had some time to think about it, my guess is ticket dumping is all about getting brownie points with your commanding officer.  He tells you that you have to write tickets so you go out and write what ever is easy and quick. Forget about real police work, like checking to see if the vehicles you tag are stolen, missing or contain something dangerous.
          So if it's about brownie points, don't you get more brownie points from recovering stolen vehicles than for writing tickets? 
           Also, I wonder why in this day and age of rapid and accurate computers isn't it mandatory to run every plate before you write a ticket. I'm sure more stolen cars would be recovered.
           There is unfortunately a ticket mentality throughout the city that goes beyond just the NYPD.  It's about hitting the numbers and writing whatever you can.  Please tell me how the ticket writing in the two stories we've done helps keep the roads clear or keeps the public safe.
 
I'd love to hear your opinion...especially from some cops out there.
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DrDNP18 read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2008 | 1:31 PM

I can't believe I made it into your comment box, John, before Jmax123....feels like Joe DiMaggio's hit streak has been stopped!...LOL
Anyway, you raise great points and ask legitimate questions(the TV reports were superb investigative reports). Since I don't live in the city, I don't know how ticket patrol is assigned, but something tells me those officers assigned to such detail, are not on the fast track to detective! That's not to say that deeper investigation standards should not be implemented by the city, particularly toward vehicles that look to be abandoned. In this day & age, quality over quantity, needs to be recognized. However, I'm sure the administration wants those coffers filled as often as possible, so the interests are certainly conflicted.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 25, 2008 | 2:24 PM

Dr.

Thanks for your comment. The story airs tonight so everybody is jumping the gun here. However, these seem to be real cops not trafic agents or cops assigned to just writing tickets. It seems to be an easy way for the real cops to fufill their ticket "activity" without working too hard or upsetting the applecart.

John

SCRTipper read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2008 | 10:44 PM

John - This is a long standing problem, and as you noted, it is not limited to the NYPD by any means. Several years ago my brother-in-law had his car stolen from in front of our apartment in Park Slope. It was located 3 weeks later in East New York with multiple parking violation tickets on it. At the time I was working for an internet start up and so I started a side project to help address this problem. You can see the result of our efforts at http://www.StolenCarReports.com. We currently have over 27,000 registered citizen volunteers and hundreds of law enforcement agencies working to provide citizens with information about stolen vehicles so that they can spot them on the street and direct law enforcement to recover them. The program has assisted the police in recovering scores of vehicles. As the program grows it's overall effectiveness will increase exponentially. Thank you bringing the publics attention to this ongoing issue.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 25, 2008 | 10:48 PM

SCR tipper,

Thanks, very interesting. I'll check out your site.

John

Da_1_n_0nly_ViDa view my photos
Mar 25, 2008 | 11:02 PM

I just watched the story on the 10pm news and its really a shame that this is what so many NYPD are doing instead of being out there giving tickets to drivers who are parked or stopped at red lights in the crosswalks (yes people that is a violation..smh (shaking my head) @ I have my license for 15 yrs this june and haven't had a car since 2000 and I STILL know the rules.. its a real shame..and people who are parents such as myself I have to walk IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET to cross the street b/c of the cars in the crosswalk with my 2 yr old child, not to mention drivers dont want to stop for pedestrians. News flash .. yes PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL TIMES ..read your drivers manual .. I swear people get their drivers license out of a Cracker Jack box and where are the NYPD when that happens? Obviously doing ticket dumpling along with eating their fast food and drinking coffee .. and wait .. our tax money gets put to this right? SO can someone really say what the NYPD do seriously? Because I only see them doing as I mentioned above and also see them real gun happy using excessive force .. and can someone tell me why it seems to always be excessive force towards people of darker skin tones? Why you NEVER see in the news that the police shot down 30 bullets or so in someone of pale skin color? I'm still puzzled on this .. n yes I am translucent skin tones saying this because someone has to speak up ! ..

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 25, 2008 | 11:13 PM

Da,

A year or so ago I saw a cop who had a perfect system down pat. He looked like a regular police officer, not one who specializes in traffic.
This guy stood on the sidewalk at an intersection in Manhattan in the flower district and wrote people for running red
lights (a dangerous thing to do) he could write as many as humanly possible, there were so many violators. I'm sure he made his "activity goal" within the first hour.
This type of ticket blitz is fine because they are going after people who are doing something dangerous. It has always been the contention of high ranking cops that it's very easy to write good tickets. They can't believe that there would be a reason to cheat or be lazy.

oberstd9
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:23 AM

Ticket writing cops do nothing to keep the roads clear nor do they keep the public safe.
I had a recent experience where it took over eight (8) hours to file a stolen vehicle report. Days later, the vehicle is ticketed for being illegally parked by the NYPD. The ticket appears on the New York City official website. I hopped on my bicycle to the location listed on the ticket in an effort to recover my car. However, because the information is posted on the website weeks after the fact, the car was not recovered . However, I noticed something interesting while searching for my car. During the numerous times I searched the area, I saw countless stripped cars but more importantly, there was absolutely no police presence in this area. No patrol cars, no foot patrols-nothing. I went to the precinct and spoke about this with the sergeant and was told not to tell them how to do their jobs. Nobody's telling them how to do their job, we just want them to do their job which is to protect and serve the public. I can train a monkey to write tickets.

p.s. The vehicle was eventually recovered but I was never notified by any city agency. A Carfax report revealed that the vehicle was recovered. I researched the matter and found that not one of the 38,000 uniformed police officers recovered the car-it was recovered by the New York City Department of Sanitation. Perhaps Sanitation should patrol the streets and the NYPD should pick up the garbage.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:59 AM

oberstd,

One of the things that is baffling to me is that there is no computer system in place that would immediately notify the owner of a stolen car. This can be acomplished by:

1)Having the officer run all plates on the computer before writing a ticket.

2)Having a system in place where once a plate enters the city's system, a stolen car would immediately be red flagged and the owner contacted.

SCRTipper read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 10:11 AM

John - There is a computer system run by the National Crime Information Center that police can check to see if the vehicle is stolen. These ticketing officers are being negligent in checking. Many top performing police officers do check and this is how the majority of vehicles are recovered.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 10:28 AM

scrtipper,

The problem is the patrol guide basically says you are supposed to run the plate before you write a ticket but then says.."as the situation warrants" which leaves it up to the cop.
There is no tie in between the national system and the city's parking violation bureau. So many people on their own wind up finding their own stolen cars by running their plates on the city's Dept of Fiance site!

Sanctus read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 11:25 AM

Isn't it amazing that the NYPD always knows which vehicles they can tow to make some quick cash and which vehicles might not ever be picked up. They seem not to like towing vehicles that they might not ever get paid for. The only reason that any officer would pile up tickets on the same vehicle is because they need to meet or exceed a quota given to them by their bosses. It's not brain surgery, but it sure is an easy way to tax the public! I'm still waiting for Mayor Bloomberg to comment on ticket-writing quotas and the ridiculous waste of money that is put into "street cleaning" trucks. Did I miss that?

Daniel

drny626
Mar 26, 2008 | 1:25 PM

I am so happy you did this story. I live in the Bronx, and my car was stollen yesterday. I have been trying since 9am yesterday morning to file a police report. I get turned away every time I go to the station and told to call 911. I called 911 10 times already, but nothing happend. Now the police won't file a report because they said my car is in the tow yard, I went to the tow yard and called and they firmly said they don't have it. Now I am stuck between 2 agencies who want take the time to speak with each other to resolve this. I dont know what to do...I am so frustrated!

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 1:34 PM

drny,

What Precinct is this?

John

drny626
Mar 26, 2008 | 1:40 PM

Hi, It is the 52nd Precinct.

lbikid
Mar 26, 2008 | 4:02 PM

John being a retired Sergeant from the NYPD ,this is just the tip of the iceberg.Keep digging you'll find alot more,because it's there !!

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 4:11 PM

Sgt.

Thanks, ticket dumping seems to be an old trick of the trade. Only one complaint so far about the stories. I guess most cops know this is wrong but it's just "one of those things" that's part of the cop culture.

John

SCRTipper read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:27 PM

John - Not to excuse the unprofessional actions of some cops, but in defense of NY's Finest, there are quite a few cops that are serious about recovering vehicles. The majority don't have the time, resources, or inclination, but there are some real gems who really strive to assist the victims of auto theft. We have law enforcement regularly searching out database for information on stolen vehicles. We recently launched a beta WAP site that is accessible on mobile phones, and which enables police officers to search our stolen car database right from their cell phones.
A similar secure program using the actual NCIC database of all stolen vehicle in the nations, can't be too far in the future.

John_Deutzman read my blog
Mar 27, 2008 | 5:11 AM

scr tipper,

There's something called the 5% rule which applys to any business, entity and the cops.(the guys you refer to)
5% of the people are really passionate about their jobs,5%are evil lazy slugs and the rest just try to make it through the day without making waves.

John

rollover
Mar 27, 2008 | 10:05 PM

These detached trailers park near Home Depots around the city. Look near Home Depot on Woodhaven Blvd just past Union Turnpike in Queens. These trailers are parked on Woodhaven Blvd. Also along St John's cemetery. Cops write tags on them. Problem is the NYPD does not have tow trucks to tow these vehicles. The 1-888-NYC-SAFE number is a joke try calling and reporting something suspicious. There is no report number given or name, no follow-up. No means for them to accept electronic evidence such as email photos. A real disgrace. Cops are so desparate for C summons and 250s that they use the tombstones in the cemeteries to obtain names and date of births for the captions on reports. It is a real shame what the job has become. A real numbers game.

rollover
Mar 27, 2008 | 10:21 PM

John these detached trailers are common near Home Depots, there is one on Woodhaven Blvd near Metropolitan Ave. The trailers park there and along Woodhaven Blvd next to St John's cemetery. It is free parking, precinct comes and tags them. No investigation, no towing. The NYPD does not have tow trucks large enough to tow them. As for the 1-888-NYC-SAFE forget about it. That number is a waste. Try calling and report something like this. It will not be taken seriously. You will not be given a report number or an individual's name. Try emailing a picture. You can't they have no way of accepting email evidence. This is a real joke.

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John Deutzman, a New York native, has been working as a reporter at Fox 5 News since September of 2001. John has won 12 career Emmys and has received 28 Emmy nominations. He's known for his aggressive and at times humorous style when catching bad guys and exposing scams for the Fox 5 Investigative Unit. John's stories have resulted in arrests, businesses being shut down and dozens victims getting their money back from scam artists. Before moving back to New York, John spent 11 years in Miami, first as a sports reporter but when hurricane Andrew struck, John was thrown into news reporting and evenutally made the full time switch to news. John also had stints in Binghamton,New York and Springfield,Massachusetts
. A native of Smithtown,Long Island, John is an 11th-generation Long Islander. He describes himself as a 50/50 mix of his two grandfathers. One grandfather was a journalist who owned the town paper, the "Smithtown Messenger" and the other was one of the first cops in town who had a reputation for being tough and crazy but fair.

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